Date: 2008-02-05 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jason-brez.livejournal.com
The ease of voting gives weight to the lie, makes it all the more pernicious. It's easy to do, gives the people the feeling that they've made a difference, that they've fulfilled their responsibilities and need do no more. By voting, I would buy into the lie, the myth.

Date: 2008-02-06 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hagdirt.livejournal.com
Look, I'm not here to convince you to vote, but this seems more like after the fact reasoning than a plan of action. You're implying that by voting you're going to brainwash yourself, or others. Sorry, you're not that gullible, or that popular. (I mean, you're cool and all, but really.)

If you don't believe voting helps, then don't vote. It's your vote, you can do as you like with it.

Date: 2008-02-06 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jason-brez.livejournal.com
what i've been trying to do, with this conversation (hijacking of mike's LJ entry), is to determine if i'm doing the right thing by not voting. i need to get other people's opinions to see if i'm acting completely irrationally. i'm trying to see if this should be my plan of action for the future.

i'm implying that by voting, i somehow, in some little way, give validation to a system that i feel is corrupt and lying.

your comments have been very very thought provoking. thanks for taking the time to argue with me.

Date: 2008-02-06 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hagdirt.livejournal.com
i'm implying that by voting, i somehow, in some little way, give validation to a system that i feel is corrupt and lying.

Of course it's a corrupt system; anything with people in it is going to be prey to corruption, deception, power-mongering and outright aggression, because we're humans and that's how we roll. My idea is to fight to minimize these things, rather than take my ball and go home. I don't think I can win; I certainly don't think I can win on my own; but my value system requires that I keep playing, even by rules that suck.


your comments have been very very thought provoking. thanks for taking the time to argue with me.

As have yours for me. Thanks for the input, and thanks also to Mike for putting up with us both!

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